The US Bishops say the hell with the Real Presence

Dogma can be discarded if it hurts someones feelings. check pp 112-113.





The PC group of bishops at the very liberal catholic bishop's conference, aka "Catholics" and easy going Lutherans have made nice.

At the heart of the document are 32 “Statements of Agreement” that state where Lutherans and Roman Catholics do not have church-dividing differences on topics about church, ministry and the Eucharist. More tentatively, the document also explores differences that remain.

This is another blatent attack on the holiness of the Eucharist, but it is not getting much publicity.

If I remember my theology classes, the catholics believe in the real presence, that the Eucharist is really Jesus, and the Lutherans see the Eucharist as Jesus if you believe he is there and only for the service, and after the service is done, he ain't there anymore.

This is lie saying the light bulb will go be on if you believe it will. No, it is reality, bub. I wonder if the bishops ever read Pius X's letter on modernism, where the symbolism is emphasized and the reality is ignored or laughed at by modernists.

In essence, the US bishop's committee are pretending to make dogma to make nice (it released this paper even though the entire bishop's group hasn't approved of it... and this is not the first time such things have happened)

Catholics see the reality, but also see several layers of symbolism without a problem. (not just a holy meal, but the union of man and God, sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, receiving the bread into your body means you are receiving God into your soul, God is feeding us as he gave manna in the wilderness, the passover meal that keeps us safe)


And I won't even get into the problem that the liberal Lutheran group is going the way of the liberal Episcopalians, who want reform and the hell with the bible: Uh,  priestesses and gay rights?

I blame this on Francis, who made an off the cuff comment wondering why a Lutheran lady couldn't receive the sacrament.

Yes, its not about doctrinal agreement: It is about hurting someone's feelings. So this document says well, we'll let the person receive it out of "hospitality".

This pope talks nice, but is sowing confusion in the church, and this statement is merely one more way he is sowing confusion to prepare the church for "renewal", probably when his hand picked bishops and Cardinals vote in a real reform pope.

Like the "let divorced and remarried people receive communion"

The result will be a schism.

What holds the church together is the Eucharist and Mary: the PC discarded Mary after Vatican II (and was very very pissed when Medjugoje resulted in a resurgence of Marian devotion). But now the present pope is busy undermining the second:

Allowing divorced and remarried people to receive the sacrament so that their feelings not be hurt, and now allowing Lutherans who think it is a symbol or only Jesus temporarily inside the bread (not real) to receive the sacrament, so as not to hurt their feelings.

Mercy? Bull shit.

It is saying the Eucharist is just a symbol. It's all about ME ME ME

I am reminded of Flannery O'Connor's comment to this type of nicey nice discussion:

If it's just a symbol, the hell with it.


The entire quote:

“Well, toward morning the conversation turned on the Eucharist, which I, being the Catholic, was obviously supposed to defend. [Mary McCarthy] said when she was a child and received the Host, she thought of it as the Holy Ghost, He being the ‘most portable’ person of the Trinity; now she thought of it as a symbol and implied that it was a pretty good one. I then said, in a very shaky voice, ‘Well, if it’s a symbol, to hell with it.’ That was all the defense I was capable of but I realize now that this is all I will ever be able to say about it, outside of a story, except that it is the center of existence for me; all the rest of life is expendable.” – from The Habit Of Being

 This is a direct attack on the holiness and reality of Christ in the Eucharist.

But the nicey nice church of ME ME ME probably doesn't recognize this.
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This division has lamentable effects in the lives of individuals,

including the pain suffered in Lutheran-Catholic marriages,

when one spouse cannot receive Communion in the other’s

congregation. Our churches have grave need of development in

our pastoral practice to justify occasional Eucharistic hospitality.

Based on the present Ecumenical Directory and looking toward

the general good, especially for those in Lutheran-Catholic

marriages, Catholic communities might increase the opportunities

for Catholics and Lutherans to receive Communion together.

Already local Catholic bishops, given the principles stated in §§

129–31 of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity’s

113

Directory for the Application of the Principles and Norms for

Ecumenism

, can develop their considerations of “grave and

pressing need” (§ 130) to receive the Eucharist. This should be

done in light of (a) the full possibilities of the principles stated in

the

Directory

and (b) the spiritual good of Lutherans well-disposed

to receive the Eucharist, especially for those in Catholic-Lutheran

marriages who attend church regularly, those who make retreats

in Catholic retreat houses and similar venues, those gathered for

ecumenical meetings, and so forth.