Part one: fake mysticism
AnnAlthotuse links to an article (and no I won't post that link) about the latest yuppie craze for taking a mild hallucinogen from the Amazon that makes you vomit.
A search for instant mysticism that reminds me of the LDS claims from the 1960's.
Isn't this cultural appropriation?
I don't know how common the vomiting is with Native American healing cermonies, (the genuine ones tend to keep out strangers).
But they found evidence of "Black tea" in Cahokia, so it is probably an ancient ritual.
But using the vomiting drug is mainly used at the end of a sing, where for several days the community gathers around you while people essentially pray for you, then you get the drug and vomit" your evil ideas.
It is probably symbolic, since one Pentecostal preachers says that some people "vomit" when released from demonic oppression.
Probably psychologically symbolic, but like a lot of the Pentecostal stuff which claims miracles and healings, the problems will return if you don't continue with the disciplines of prayer and community (or as one sardonic Carpenter warned: after released, the spirit is homeless, and comes back with seven other demons to re infect his previous host)
Drug use in positive rituals is not that strong if done properly...as one of my friends explained, peyote use in the Native American religion gave only a mild feeling of oneness with the deity and is taken only by a few during the ceremony, where again the stress is being in harmony with the community.
Ironically, her medicine man warned her not to attend the ceremony any more, since her tribe did not use this ritual.
Mother Drexel once took peyote so she could understand the community she served, and she compared it to receiving communion.
The oneness with the deity in communion is both real (for Catholics and Orthodox) but has it's origin in deeper symbolism of meals, of nourishment, of becoming one with the
deity. This is supposed to lead to a personal encounter.
Yes, which is why the Post Vatican II singing hymns during the post communion time is annoying: it disturbs the ability to pray deeply in this time. But of course, kids in the US no longer learn these things or recognize what they are doing is a holy thing
.
Hallucinogens are deeply connected to the diabolic, even in pagan religions: Do you take the drug to get high/get power, or to humble yourself and feel in harmony with those around you.
One doubts that flying 1000 miles to do a fake ceremony with a bunch of strangers will help you, any more than all that meditation stuff pushed by gurus under the guise of mind body medicine will.
By severing this (in this case, self hypnosis) or the use of drugs from the discipline of traditional ceremonies, religion, and from the community, and pushing it as a way to power, you are more likely to become delusional and to resurrect the "demons of the id" than actually find the deity.
Leslie Nielsen call your office.
A search for instant mysticism that reminds me of the LDS claims from the 1960's.
Isn't this cultural appropriation?
I don't know how common the vomiting is with Native American healing cermonies, (the genuine ones tend to keep out strangers).
But they found evidence of "Black tea" in Cahokia, so it is probably an ancient ritual.
But using the vomiting drug is mainly used at the end of a sing, where for several days the community gathers around you while people essentially pray for you, then you get the drug and vomit" your evil ideas.
It is probably symbolic, since one Pentecostal preachers says that some people "vomit" when released from demonic oppression.
Probably psychologically symbolic, but like a lot of the Pentecostal stuff which claims miracles and healings, the problems will return if you don't continue with the disciplines of prayer and community (or as one sardonic Carpenter warned: after released, the spirit is homeless, and comes back with seven other demons to re infect his previous host)
Drug use in positive rituals is not that strong if done properly...as one of my friends explained, peyote use in the Native American religion gave only a mild feeling of oneness with the deity and is taken only by a few during the ceremony, where again the stress is being in harmony with the community.
Ironically, her medicine man warned her not to attend the ceremony any more, since her tribe did not use this ritual.
Mother Drexel once took peyote so she could understand the community she served, and she compared it to receiving communion.
The oneness with the deity in communion is both real (for Catholics and Orthodox) but has it's origin in deeper symbolism of meals, of nourishment, of becoming one with the
deity. This is supposed to lead to a personal encounter.
Yes, which is why the Post Vatican II singing hymns during the post communion time is annoying: it disturbs the ability to pray deeply in this time. But of course, kids in the US no longer learn these things or recognize what they are doing is a holy thing
.
Hallucinogens are deeply connected to the diabolic, even in pagan religions: Do you take the drug to get high/get power, or to humble yourself and feel in harmony with those around you.
One doubts that flying 1000 miles to do a fake ceremony with a bunch of strangers will help you, any more than all that meditation stuff pushed by gurus under the guise of mind body medicine will.
By severing this (in this case, self hypnosis) or the use of drugs from the discipline of traditional ceremonies, religion, and from the community, and pushing it as a way to power, you are more likely to become delusional and to resurrect the "demons of the id" than actually find the deity.
Leslie Nielsen call your office.
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