Beitbart reports that the Pope, talking to some compadres from SAmerica, mentioned the gay cliques in the Vatican.
Father L, who once was Anglican, has
a longer post on the problem here.
and worries both about the "hidden" mafia and if a witchhunt happens it will destroy the innocent.
Well, previous rumors were of communist cliques and of Masonic cliques. The last one, a P2 branch, reportedly stole/diverted a lot of money from the bank and may have poisoned John Paul I.
And the communists? Well, most folks figure it was the KGB who got a dissadent Muslim Turk into Italy to shoot JP2, and some of us wondered how he got so close to the car in the huge crowd.
These cliques are normal in any workplace, and I remember one holy pastor who had a vision where he saw the Catholic church being infiltrated with a lot of career people who would try to divert the church into being a super social working church, and that ultimately this would result in a major schism between the US/European catholics and the rest (something that has already happened in fact, if not on paper, in the Anglican church).
Gays often identify each other: and sometimes are lovers. Like any minority (including women or blacks) they often protect each other from the outside world.
So the many gay psychiatrists persuaded the American Psychiatric society to say being gay is not a mental disease unless you are upset about it.
The background of this is Freudian theory, a theory which no one believes nowadays, which say repressed sexuality is the cause of all mental illnesses, so that in medical school, we were told if children and teens weren't prevented from having sex, and if gay sex was okay, then we would be able to empty our mental hospitals. Similarly, to allow this, we needed contraception and abortion available to all.
In other words, the background is the idea that promiscuity is good and should be promoted.
Fine. But despite the "gays as normal married folks", the men might not be. The gay lifestyle is promiscuous, and revolves around sex. and often there is a blank spot about little things we women tend to want, like fidelity and limiting sex to a minor part of life.
The lesbians should educate them, but alas, they are now infiltrated by a lot of bitter feminists who are bisexual and decided to be lesbian because they were abused by men or were taught by other feminists to hate evil men.
Sigh.
The result was the idea: So when a gay man "fell in love" with a pubescent teenager (age 13 to 17) it was not only normal, but often "helped" the teenager by letting the older gay man mentor him during his troublesome teenage years. This was a commonly held idea in the 1970's, but no longer something one is allowed to say: So when Father Groeschel mentioned this idea on EWTN, he got kicked off the network.
Is this true? Yes, in some cases, in the same way one could argue that a girl initiated into sex by a loving older partner is better off than one who gets initiated into sex by a fumbling 15 year old boy who doesn't care about her pleasure.
Some gays as teenagers are confused, and a mentor would help.
The bad news is that often this story is told by mentors who delusionally think they are helping the boy (or the girl), but actually are not. I am reminded of "Lolita", which when I was in college in the 1970's was touted as showing that 13 year old girls could seduce older men, implying that it was okay. Years later, when I read "Reading Lolita in Tehran", I found out that it was written by the pedophile justifying himself, and that the students in Tehran recognized the manipulation of her life by a man who got power over her, and identified with her ultimate rebellion against him, because they too rebelled against such men.
Well, anyway, career people entered into the Catholic and main line churches, and often ended up in the bureaucracy, since they did not have a pastoral vocation and also found it easiest to change the church this way. (and in the mainline churches, this included many feminists who wanted to change the church, some of whom were probably in the list of the bisexual bitter feminists I mentioned above...).
So a lot of these became "middle Management" folks in the Vatican bureaucracy, pushing a social work church over Jesus, stripping the alters and replacing sentimental hymns and hymns loved by the people with inane music, and pushing leftist causes. (Back in the 1970's, the bishops pushed unilateral nuclear disarmament by the US at a time when Russia was communist for example. No one paid attention to them).
The "We are church" and other "reform" groups in the church were formed by what Andrew Greeley called "the revolt of the middle management". John Paul II, confronted by the corruption, knew he'd be toast if he confronted it, so instead started visiting all over and rallying the troops. The young orthodox priests and sisters are not called the "John Paul II" generation for nothing.
When the pedophilia reports came, they were by canon law handled by the local bishops, who often had offices full of these reformers, and were advised by the PC psychiatrists of Johns Hopkins that the best way to treat these pedophiles and gays who liked teenagers was to treat them and release them back to work. Notorious pedophiles like G. in Boston worked with street people and had a huge following in the "peace and justice" ministry folks so was essentially untouchable, even if Cardinal Law had the ambition to do so (he was lazy and let his officials run the place).
At first JP2 thought the accusations were to destroy the church, which was and is a favorite tactic of the anti church folks, be they communists or "masonic" NWO types.
When he found out some cases were true, he called on Ratzinger, who was widely hated by the modernists and called the German rottweiler, to take over. He started cleaning up the cases and was hated and all sorts of lies and exaggerations made to try to destroy him.
One famous case: a mid western bishop accused him of refusing to defrock a known pedophile priest. Looking more closelly at the case, it seems that the priest had left the priest hood 20 years earlier and was no longer working as a priest, but that the bishop had never done the proper paperwork to "defrock" him. The guy was now dying of cancer, and defrocking him would remove his health insurance and pension. But the bishop was in danger by this point: one of his lovers had blackmailed him and the story was ready to break, so when he demanded the dying priest to be instantly defrocked by the vatican (never mind that the paper work was partly missing) Ratzinger sent back the papers with a note saying no because of the paper work, and voila, instant press bashing of Ratzinger (the bishop went on to write about the need for reform, even after his own story broke and he was forced to retire. NYTimes didn't bother to point this out when he wrote his "biography" which was widely praised when reviewed).
Sigh.
The presence of entire seminaries that were taken over by cliques was only noted by orthodox seminarians who left, or who noted they were denied entrance for being too "rigid" because they didn't approve of women priests etc. and the nun who screened applicants turned them down.
Those who prayed or said the rosary got persecuted, bringing to mind the Akita prophecies that bishops would turn on bishops and those who defended the faith would be prosecuted.
Sigh.
So anyway, there were cliques in the US, in seminaries, and also in religious orders (male and female) who protected their own. Ditto for some diocese. Some bishops were the worst, others, like Law, were lazy and didn't bother to oversee the accusations and went along with the "experts".
And who broke the story?
Father Barron has an article about the late Andrew Greeley and mentions he broke the story.
One of Andrew Greeley's signal accomplishments -- and this goes
beyond any liberal/conservative split -- was his early identification of
the problem of clerical sex abuse. Back in the early 1980's, long
before the problem became well known, Andy started blowing the whistle
on priests who were abusing children and on the bishops who were
ignoring the abuse. I vividly recall the criticism that Andy received
for this -- "there goes Greeley badmouthing the Church again" -- but he
was dead right and way ahead of the curve, and the whole church owes him
a debt of gratitude.
Yes, and in his book "diary of a catholic priest" (or some such title) he mentions how the pedophiles would be seen as merely an isolated incident where the priest "fell in love" and were sent to treatment...and often recycled to sin again (treatment back in the 1970's was a "get out of jail free card" for pedophiles and incestuous fathers, and others who were considered "non violent sexual offenders". )
he mentions the cliques who let them get away with it, and actually denied that Cardinal Bernadine was gay, but only that he didn't realize what those who were under him were doing (shades of Cardinal Law). I like the way that he defends Cardinal Bernadine: Because he saw him interact with women.
Those of you not in the know should check out some of Greeley's potbroiling novels. Start with the Cardinal Sins and then some of Blackie Ryan mysteries. They are all there: The priest who loves his sister in law and is seduced by her, the nun who is a rabid feminist and destroys those around her, the frigid wife who is accidentally killed in a Mafia hit meant for her husband, and whose ghost visits him (from purgatory) to be reconciled with him for her weaknesses that resulted in her bitterness that destroyed her marriage. And hints of things like Vatican Assassins, bishops stealing millions of dollars, etc. Wonder how much is true. probably most of it.
yet Greeley loved the church, and often the sexual shennanigans in his novels were a way that God renewed their lives, even when those actions were sinful. The ones condemned tended to be the rigid, the selfish, and the ambitious...
If CS Lewis wrote "pain is god's megaphone" to waken a deaf world, then Greeley would have said "sex is God's megaphone to remind us of his love". This upset the prudes, of course, yet the picture of God in Greeley's novels probably brought many back to the church, and his idea of the Church (as opposed to the dry church of the post Vatican II types or the puritanical church of those wanting a pre vatican II church of rules) was very...catholic.
Again from Father Barron:
In Andy's language, this was the distinctively Catholic sense that
God "lurked" in all of matter, all of nature, and in the whole of the
human drama. This attitude, which was itself grounded in the
Incarnation, informed all of Greeley's writings, from his sociology to
his popular theology, to his novels and Blackie Ryan detective stories.
In one of the first articles I ever published, I used the phrase
"beige Catholicism" to criticize the culture of the post-conciliar
Church in which I came of age. I meant a Catholicism void of color,
narrativity, distinctiveness, and edge. Andy loved that phrase and
helped to popularize it. He did not want a Catholicism that was a vague
echo of the secular culture, and this helps to explain his opposition
both to liberation theology (which he thought was more beholden to
Marxism than Catholic social teaching) and to radical feminism (which he
thought set up a gender war between men and women). He could certainly
be a critic of the hierarchy, but he also deeply admired Albert
Cardinal Meyer, Pope John XXIII, Joseph Cardinal Bernardin, and perhaps
most of all, Francis Cardinal George, with whom he often attended the
opera. Once I was privileged to be with Andy at the Cardinal's table
for dinner, just before the two of them left for the opera. As was his
custom, Cardinal George commenced the recitation of the Angelus, and
Andy, with eyes closed and hands folded in prayer, joined in. Another
quality that he preserved from the Golden Age was a deep devotion to
Mary, who appears as a figure in many of his books and novels.
If you want a short history of the 1980's church in the US, try "Virgin and Martyr"...and yes, the liberal missionaries did smuggle guns into central America (I knew a lay missionary pilot who quit in protest). And I wouldn't be surprized if the massacre there was a set up (because it is always mentioned by liberation theology types, whereas the many massacres of our priests and sisters and doctors by marxist insurgents in what was then Rhodesia is rarely mentioned: because the killers were PC: hell, the World Council of Churches gave them money to buy the weapons.)
In his old age, he tended to parrot the Democratic talking points, as Father Barron notes. But this would be like my mother and her generation, to whom the Republicans are evil elites who hate the middle guy, and even I am still a Democrat, despite that party's take over by the radicals of the left who work against the working class and hate ordinary folks.
Sigh.
Well, anyway, back to
Pope Francis: Here is the quote from the article about the gay clique in the Vatican:
A Chilean website, Reflection and Liberation, which discusses
liberation theology, first reported Francis' comments, though CNN said a
Vatican spokesman refused to comment on the report.
"In the Curia," Francis said, "there are holy people. But there is
also a stream of corruption," adding, "The 'gay lobby' is mentioned, and
it is true, it is there. We need to see what we can do."
the backstory of this is, of course, that the Pope was a Jesuit who was exiled when the PC took over that order, but quietly continued to work and stay faithful to the church's teaching.
In Argentina, it was the middle management trying to make a marxist world via liberation theology (leading to many catholics joining pentecostal churches in protest, since they could worship Jesus in these new churches).
So how will things work out?
Well, we're waiting.
And the most recent "expose" of the church here will probably be used to try to destroy the church. The news stories touted that the Liberals won the last election over the church's pro life candidates as showing that the church is losing strength in society. True, many middle class folks prefer a protestant theology that makes them feel st uperior to the
stupid catholics, while teaching them a Calvinism /prosperity gospel that justifies their wealth. They go along with the modern stuff because they are anti catholic, not seeing that they will be destroyed next. (In the US, the Baptists etc. didn't oppose abortion because they didn't want "catholics to push their beliefs on America"...now it comes to gay rights, they are on the losing side, since Catholics separate same sex attraction (which is a psychological weakness, not a sin) from the gay lifestyle (which is a sin) and from the lapses of those who would prefer to stay sinless and are forgiven 70 times 7 times. Like heterosexual fornication, it is a sin committed in passion, and therefore less "serious" than a sin committed out of selfishness. Yet, like adultery or promiscuity, it has the potential for horrendous destruction of the family (yet in many cases, less than adultery or heterosexual promiscuity which leads to family breakdown and killing of the inconvenient unborn)..
I wrote but didn't publish in my other blog about a liberal party candidate who won a landslide over a better known family member in one provence. Uh, people don't win landslides here...
but there are accusations that the winner accepted money from a pro RH bill FilAm, which is illegal.
I will probably take the post trying to connect the dots here, since I don't know enough about the politics on the ground to make decisions, but a lot more money was around during the last election (usual price for a vote is 500 pesos, ten dollars, but this year it was 2000 pesos, fifty dollars).
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And the liberal party not only will go along with the population planners in the US state dept to pass population control, divorce, abortion and gay marriage, but is letting the US use the local bases to counter the Chinese push to take over the west Filippine sea.
In other words, PNoy is obedient to Hillary and Obama in all things
so it may not be a coincidence that the FilAm who was behind the "Philippinos for Obama" movement probably gave a lot of money to a liberal party candidate in one province...
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